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sushi


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Heard from some top Chinese's comments about our Women's Team ...

Was rather surprised to find out that China's major Academy did not dare to accept our National Women players (first team) , esp. Feng , Wang , LJW , Yu etc to train in China ....

They said , Singapore approached China CTTA for assistance back in 1990s for help to form up our National Team , China agreed out of goodwill and even offered their 2nd stringer Team of coaches and players to Singapore then .....
Ever since Singapore took the first World Championships in Moscow , instead of being modest and humble about their achievements , the spokesmen became arrogant , it hurt their relationships ....
Of course the episode involving LGD also added to the sourness ...

They expressed regrets that their kindness were taken for granted ....
Words have gone within China warning them of serious consequences if any academy who open their doors to Singapore Women's National Teams ...
They were waiting to see how Singapore Women's Team would progress once the top players like Li Jia Wei , Feng Tian Wei .Wang Yuegu aged over the years , by depriving the Team to train with the Best , they forsee that Singapore may not even be able to get into the top 8 in the next 3 years ......

the current reserves' standards are still quite far from the present team ....

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Sakuragi


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Maybe they should learn from us:
How to train those 2nd team players to reach world stage or even champion?
Look it positively.
If what they say is true, either u can do something about it or just
let it be.
We are too Result orientated n end up waste a lot of chance for our
local reserve.
If STTA can't maintenance a minimum result that only show they are
promoting a fake result!

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acm


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Well said Sakuragi, be it Feng Tienwei, or whoever, even if they can get a gold, they are still bought over. What is there to be excited about? Local born and brought up talents should be trained to meet the international standard and represent the country, buying FT is not the long term solution.

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Sakuragi


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this is a same old story or topic talking over and over again.
there is no right or wrong ... is only when to take over or just continue support blindly.

what other ppls say, what other ppls feel ... but is that really important compare to a local feeling and thinking.

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Phantom


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Frankly speaking, do you think if we depend only on local breed talent, will they be able to achieve what they have achieve now? Must face the reality lah.

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Sakuragi


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in the first place : can we or u take that as an achievement ?
that why i say before : we are too result orientated !!!

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Zhi4Jie


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Sakuragi wrote:
in the first place : can we or u take that as an achievement ?
that why i say before : we are too result orientated !!!

I share the same thought too. IMHO, is the achievement by women TT team truly reflect the real situation of the nation's TT standard? Imagine if there is an international competition that rank a country by having aggregate results of different age groups, boys and girls, say under 12, 15, 18, 20 and the national team, what do u think S'pore ranking will be? dunno I suspect at least for the world top ranking TT nations will remain about the same except for S'pore ??? Just my 2 cents :) :) :)

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Sakuragi


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Hahaha ,I top up another 2 cents !
Yes currently top ranking country except spore got proportional
achievement age of 23 yrs old n below.

Also we have less tt training school.
I meet a german guy, he ask me is there a training school.
The only one I know is locate at sage level 1.
How pityful r we as a world champion !

Local circuit also got problem.
My friend play his cc for few yrs but thus to last yrs cc condition,
he was replaced by outsider. Mainly bcos the organiser is a non-tt
Player. What he want is good result to present to the top-management.



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acm


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Hello to ALL,

This is Singapore! EVERYTHING IS RESULT! We all know that, it just that sometime we forget, choose to forget,busy until forget, naturally forget, etc. From the Government to the little babies that were just born in Singapore, everything is result. Till the day you die,also result.

Sad fact, but this is real.

Just my worthless opinion.

Thank You.

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Sakuragi


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Lucky my tt got no good result but still play happily.
Hahaha I'm then lucky.

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sushi


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ZhiJie wrote:
Sakuragi wrote:
in the first place : can we or u take that as an achievement ?
that why i say before : we are too result orientated !!!

I share the same thought too. IMHO, is the achievement by women TT team truly reflect the real situation of the nation's TT standard? Imagine if there is an international competition that rank a country by having aggregate results of different age groups, boys and girls, say under 12, 15, 18, 20 and the national team, what do u think S'pore ranking will be? dunno I suspect at least for the world top ranking TT nations will remain about the same except for S'pore ??? Just my 2 cents :) :) :)

Hi i think that having the Men & Women F/Ts in the current Team was after all not a bad idea , i think STTA wanted to jump start the TT team and help Singapore to create awareness to TT sport ,the idea seemed to have worked as we can all see today ,looking back in the 80's the SEA games was a disappointments our local teams flopped ....we were ( quoted : a laughing stock of SEA Games )
Our local player standards were just too far away from the viets and Indonesians ....We needed to do something to improve badly .

After our women's FT Team victory .... like it or not... that surprised every Singaporean indeed ! suddenly the focal point was on TT ! it was revitalised ! Everyone was talking about TT .... whether tis about the good the bad or the ugly ... it was exactly what the Country needed .... TT suddenly was catapulted from a "CHINESE educated" sport to a National Game...... !!!

Compare the 80s TT arena and today ... u hv to admit the degree of wareness , the attention on TT had greatly improved ! .... the child talent spotting programmes by STTA and zone training centres .... paved a bright future for our young !!!

TT had finally gained the respects and accorded its rightful status that i felt were missing in the early days !!! TT is finally getting the attention from everyone nationwide .

Across the Nation , every child irregardless of their family financial backgrounds who plays the game gets spontaneous support from their Parents ... and that is very very encouraging indeed ....unlike my time ... my Parents will say all kinds of discouraging words to stop me from playing TT ....

please give the system time to prove ... the PCF scheme and Zone talent grooming seemed to be showing some results , dun write them off just as yet .... go and watch them in the finals ( age group 9-12 ) u will be in for some pleasant surprises ....
the high level of basic techniques that our young players displayed will shame even the best players in the 80s ....

Our young are only 12 years old .... and the pioneer batches have yet to grow up .... Give them a chance , give them yr support and i believe they will shine ....and they will not fail us.. that at least in the future SEA Games Arena ....where
Singapore had difficulties making it to quarter finals previously ....

Our Chinese Academy Coaches were full of praises with our local system of grooming the child at kindergarten level, where in China ,it has yet to be implimented, hence , if as zijie mentioned . our local age group players below 12 years are much better trained as compared to their peers in China .
Chinese players only get better after 14 years old , as their specialised training academy accept players with potential after 14 years old when they had chosen to take the route to become
professionals in TT .
That is when these local chinese playing skills really improved in leaps and bounce .....

Be patient and be fair to our system , give them time ... i tink we are on the right track ....
oh my apologises i m neither an STTA or any official from the govt... i m just sharing a personal view ....

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dryvuuu

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Think of the FT scheme as a 'stepping stone' and it can actually benefit the LTs in the long run. They get to learn and train with the FTs and the achievements by the current FTs should act as a motivation for them - "if the FTs can do it why not us?".

There's always something positive even in the most negative situation.

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sushi


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dryvuuu wrote:Think of the FT scheme as a 'stepping stone' and it can actually benefit the LTs in the long run. They get to learn and train with the FTs and the achievements by the current FTs should act as a motivation for them - "if the FTs can do it why not us?".

There's always something positive even in the most negative situation.

Yes i fully agree with u mate . We should look at it positively .
this is the same for schools , where the influx of FTs especially in the field of TT sports is quite significant .... Many Parents were not happy that their child were deprived of a place in the school team ....
personally i think it had helped the school to develop stronger and better players in the long run .... as the lower standard players get to upgrade by sparring with the FTs .

Positive and more willing Parents would even up the stake with challenge by putting their child on more 1 to 1 trainings outside .
Local children have gone further to better and outplayed their fellow FTs in the school .... i m all in for the challenge !


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dryvuuu

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Mr Shushi, you talk a lot of good sense! Best

I believe the 'strong' LTs will up their game & are smart enough to seize any opportunities that come along (hopefully) & the 'weaklings' will just come up short & give up.

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cede1975


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Zhou Yihan, a 17-year-old girl, was from the eastern province of Shandong, and Lin Ye, a 15-year-old girl, was from Hunan. Chen Feng, a 16-year-old boy, was from Hebei.
and the only local Isabelle Li(never broke sub20 ittf ranking).
These are the next batch of SG team you will see for the next 5 years more or less...

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Our National Paddlers , are they facing a dilemma ?

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Pingpang wrote:Our National Paddlers , are they facing a dilemma ?

No dilemma,but when locals are not up to the mark relative to FT then the propaganda and politics sets in, its the usual happenings in SG.Its not new.Mind you its not getting any better but it will be worse. Soon you will find TT players and SG forumers alike speaking their minds off at speakers corner in Hong Lim.

Pitachu

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Actually even if Singapore don't make it to top 6 or 8 after this era of players, it does not matter. As a Singaporean, I never mentioned our table tennis achiements to any foreign visitors because the team are all China imports. Very few countries have such an high percentage of foreign imports in their teams.
At the end of the day, table tennis is still dominated by Chinese from China, no matter which country they are playing for.
Just my 1 cent top up

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JTL


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well .. this is actually US mentality ... to embrace diversity so as to stir up creativity for results. And results are all matrices based.

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JTL


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do you think is it cheaper to import or to train/develop locally?

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Sakuragi


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Import is cheaper. But always look at other ppls face.

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wytaaan


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I still don't think any average parent in sg would allow his/her child to forgo primary/secondary/college education just to focus on TT entirely, like how China start TT training for their kids at the age of 6. So, whether we like it or not, we have to import players in from elsewhere if we want to remain up there on the rankings. of course, whether there's a supply of TT foreign talent or not is another issue.

personally, I support whoever is playing for singapore, FT or LT, because at the end of the day, I feel proud seeing the singapore flag go up on the podium. and it's always more exciting (and anxious) for me to watch the sg national players play for medals. that's just me though!

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Pitachu

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Sakuragi wrote:Import is cheaper. But always look at other ppls face.
I don't think it is a matter of cheaper or more expensive. It is just that Singaporean choose what they want in their career. That is why a lot of jobs are not taken up by Singaporeans.
I got a friend who set up an Software company lamenting that no Singaporeans applied, even though the pay is $3000.
So, if most sportsmen are paid a surviving salary of $2000+ (from what I know), Singaporeans who rather go for a degree or MBA to get a $5000 job, unless they think they got a very good chance to win at the Olympics.

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Sakuragi


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First of all , all looking at the way how china train their children , how china success n continue success for many years.
But do anyone review their system - how many children which they have put in ? How many of them can finally reach the national top level ?
What is the success ratio ?
Do anyone talk about the failure rate ?

What I going to say is different country got their own condition n cannot compare blindly.



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Pitachu

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In any country, there will be 10% talented in sports (born with quick twitch muscles as a undergrad med. student put it).
That is the reason countries with the largest population wins the most amount of medals. Actually, to be fair, they should split large counties into cities and see how many Olympic Medals they get. After all, the population in 1 China City eg. Guangzhou, SHanghai or Beijing is already a few times that of Singapore. At least we are not outnumbered by 1 Billion to 5 Million! (200 times!)

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